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		<title>By: Teague</title>
		<link>http://www.ghotifish.net/2008/04/you-say-you-want-a-wikipedia/comment-page-1/#comment-7715</link>
		<dc:creator>Teague</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cool essay.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;While he may get a little too carried away with his metaphor, it does frame things in a way that I&#039;m inclined to buy into.  And I (like you, I think) long ago decided that this was going to be a major, epoch-making change in society.  I think it will be positive on balance, though there will be plenty of unanticipated consequences (like the potential fragmentation of the public discourse).&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;In response to HCE&#039;s comment, the degree of effort needed is important (after all, who wants to do something hard on their leisure time?).  But I think the main distinction between those other activities and blogging, wiki, etc. is that these new interactive media are plugged into the social grid.  If I were to go reengineer my wagon 15 years ago, I would be able to appreciate it, along with anyone who stopped by my house and let me drag them into the garage.  If they weren&#039;t expending too much energy pretending to be interested, they might give me an idea of how to further improve my wagon design.  But when I post something on my blog, I&#039;m usually building on something someone else did, and anyone searching for that sort of thing can come and see what I said, and maybe leave a comment or link to it.  The person whose work I mentioned can even find out that I mentioned them.  How awesome is this?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;TV has been such a cognitive sink because there wasn&#039;t anything as widely compelling and accessible to (almost) all.  TV was compelling because, by providing stories and a common subject for us to talk about, it simulated the actual interaction and self-expression we crave with very little effort.  The internet &lt;i&gt;et al&lt;/i&gt; are providing a more compelling alternative for only slightly more effort, so I do agree that the shift will be pretty substantial over time.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool essay.</p>

<p>While he may get a little too carried away with his metaphor, it does frame things in a way that I&#8217;m inclined to buy into.  And I (like you, I think) long ago decided that this was going to be a major, epoch-making change in society.  I think it will be positive on balance, though there will be plenty of unanticipated consequences (like the potential fragmentation of the public discourse).</p>

<p>In response to HCE&#8217;s comment, the degree of effort needed is important (after all, who wants to do something hard on their leisure time?).  But I think the main distinction between those other activities and blogging, wiki, etc. is that these new interactive media are plugged into the social grid.  If I were to go reengineer my wagon 15 years ago, I would be able to appreciate it, along with anyone who stopped by my house and let me drag them into the garage.  If they weren&#8217;t expending too much energy pretending to be interested, they might give me an idea of how to further improve my wagon design.  But when I post something on my blog, I&#8217;m usually building on something someone else did, and anyone searching for that sort of thing can come and see what I said, and maybe leave a comment or link to it.  The person whose work I mentioned can even find out that I mentioned them.  How awesome is this?</p>

<p>TV has been such a cognitive sink because there wasn&#8217;t anything as widely compelling and accessible to (almost) all.  TV was compelling because, by providing stories and a common subject for us to talk about, it simulated the actual interaction and self-expression we crave with very little effort.  The internet <i>et al</i> are providing a more compelling alternative for only slightly more effort, so I do agree that the shift will be pretty substantial over time.</p>]]></content:encoded>
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		<title>By: Humphrey Chimpden Earwicker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Humphrey Chimpden Earwicker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, if you cut out all of Wikipedia that is directly related to Desperate Housewives, Gilligan&#039;s Island, elves, celebrities, etc, you&#039;d pretty much gut the thing.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;More seriously, I think there&#039;s a major problem with his argument that before the Internet, he was &lt;em&gt;forced&lt;/em&gt; to watch TV all the time and not do anything constructive (&quot;I was forced into the channel of media the way it was because it was the only option.&quot;). He may have been forced into the consumptive model of media, but he was still choosing to engage in that world of media. He couldn&#039;t read a book and then pick up a pencil and write? Or walk around outside and talk to people or observe nature? Or paint a picture? Or go to the garage and re-engineer his wagon or bicycle?&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The distinction between those activities and blogging, wiki-editing, etc, seems to be that the latter are done in front of a screen in the comfort of your living room -- so perhaps what is more important to us is not whether or not we can participate and create, but that whatever we do we can do it with a minimum of physical effort and via some sort of intermediary that frees us from interacting with the real world directly.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;He has an interesting point, but I think there is something even deeper and more interesting that he is missing. Why was that little girl looking for a mouse instead of looking out the window? Why am I commenting on your blog instead of talking to you directly?&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, if you cut out all of Wikipedia that is directly related to Desperate Housewives, Gilligan&#8217;s Island, elves, celebrities, etc, you&#8217;d pretty much gut the thing.</p>

<p>More seriously, I think there&#8217;s a major problem with his argument that before the Internet, he was <em>forced</em> to watch TV all the time and not do anything constructive (&#8220;I was forced into the channel of media the way it was because it was the only option.&#8221;). He may have been forced into the consumptive model of media, but he was still choosing to engage in that world of media. He couldn&#8217;t read a book and then pick up a pencil and write? Or walk around outside and talk to people or observe nature? Or paint a picture? Or go to the garage and re-engineer his wagon or bicycle?</p>

<p>The distinction between those activities and blogging, wiki-editing, etc, seems to be that the latter are done in front of a screen in the comfort of your living room &#8212; so perhaps what is more important to us is not whether or not we can participate and create, but that whatever we do we can do it with a minimum of physical effort and via some sort of intermediary that frees us from interacting with the real world directly.</p>

<p>He has an interesting point, but I think there is something even deeper and more interesting that he is missing. Why was that little girl looking for a mouse instead of looking out the window? Why am I commenting on your blog instead of talking to you directly?</p>]]></content:encoded>
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